i think there is a lot of room in the defense budget for cuts, but our primary focus in terms of the economy should be job creation. so that means that the government has to spend in order to create economic stability. economic progress. we need jobs in this economy for middle class people and that's what will make this economy stronger and so if we cut then we're going against that very basic economic principle. when you constrict the budget and cut off the flow of money, you're not going have as many jobs available. so i am not -- i am not in favor of drastic cuts in spending at this time, but i do think long term we should be looking at reducing our debt and restoring fiscal sanity to our budget. >> a group of house democrats, yourself included you want to do away with the debt ceiling law altogether. this is congressman jerry neven, this is what he had to say about it. take a listen. >> it is time to repeal the debt ceiling and today we're introducing legislation to do just that. instead of playing a game of chicken with the full faith and credit of the united states, we must dea